{"id":9531,"date":"2016-12-28T22:43:51","date_gmt":"2016-12-28T22:43:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2016\/12\/28\/mr-pip-plays-side-by-side-with-a-dont-on-sl2-%c2%bd-m-sun-trip-report-12162016\/"},"modified":"2016-12-28T22:43:51","modified_gmt":"2016-12-28T22:43:51","slug":"mr-pip-plays-side-by-side-with-a-dont-on-sl2-%c2%bd-m-sun-trip-report-12162016","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crapsclub.goldentouchserver.com\/index.php\/2016\/12\/28\/mr-pip-plays-side-by-side-with-a-dont-on-sl2-%c2%bd-m-sun-trip-report-12162016\/","title":{"rendered":"Mr. PiP plays Side by Side with a Don\u2019t on SL2 \u00bd – M-Sun Trip Report (12\/16\/2016)"},"content":{"rendered":"


\nObjective: <\/strong>
\n\t To gain more live play exposure at the M-Sun\u2019s Cloud casino. Use the 5 count, and perform one session of the betting strategy learned in class after several practice sessions using my own clay chips at home. I also wanted to continue getting a feel of the physical aspects of the tables, the behavior of the pit crew and my fellow players and report any observations. Trip Bank Roll for Expenses and betting: $800. Bet Spread Plan would be Buy-in of $600 and take 5X odds on Pass Line (Snow Cap the PL and Dealers on the Line bit) and two come bets with max odds. Additional come bets after 4 hits of Pass Line or come bets. I used two chip counters. Left was counter for 5 count and the number of hits on the right was my Hand counter (The number of times I held the dice). I would come to a stop play if one of three events happened.
\n\t1) My hand counter reaches 10 .
\n\t2) My chips cannot cover my 3 bets < $ 180.
\n\t3) I am tired and feel it is time to color out.
\n\tCurrent DC Skill Background:
\n\t My handle is \u201cMr. Pit\u201d and I am a primer student, October 2016, practicing every day, average 100 rolls. Below is my throw log and stats. Nothing really to brag about other than 4 times I hit in the 30s without hitting a 7 and the longest roll was 36. I am actually recording every throw with a timestamp and creating useful metrics around it. (See link below)
\n\tI did download the results into SMART Craps and I have not passed any of the 3 Pro-Test.
\n\thttps:\/\/docs.google.com\/spreadsheets\/d\/12LC3OR7slsciqIwbkXB7E3WoV6QslEA4blLaL5xJwCE\/edit#gid=1155939994<\/a>
\n\tCasino Overview: <\/strong>
\n\t\u2022\tGeneral: (See my previous post on M-Sun)
\n\t\u2022\tCloud: <\/strong> The Cloud Casino has the most tables approx. nine 14 foot tables laid out in a U shape pattern. After a nice meal at one of the Steak Houses on the second floor, I headed for the cloud casino. <\/p>\n

\tThe tables were packed except for one $15 dollar table that had my spot open SL1. I bought in for $600. Used the 5 count twice and it hit twice. $15 on PL and $10 odds. When the dice came to me I put my $15 on the PL and took $50 odds. There were people around me yelling out \u201clets bet on him, he taking good care of the dice, I like betting on people that take care of the dice\u201d <\/strong><\/em> After establishing two come bets and hitting one of the come bets I seven out and the group left shaking their heads, one guy said \u201cTaking care of the dice my @$$\u201d<\/em><\/strong>. That would normally bother me, but instead I chuckled inside. After the next two shooters the table closed down and I had to move to a $10 table.<\/p>\n

\t I was only able to get SL2 . First two hands I was grinding it out Hit one or two of my come bets and seven out, then SL1 opened up and I moved over to that spot. I did tell the box I moved over one so I am properly rated, maybe a mistake because after 5 hours of play. I checked my comps the next morning and I had only 51 M-Sun points and $5 in comps. <\/p>\n

\t The random rollers were also hot at the table and the 5 count put me on their action. SL2 looked over to me and said \u201cWell it\u2019s about time you are getting in on the action\u201d<\/em><\/strong>, he was getting a lot of heat over not hitting the wall, and then a guy came in between us he wanted to make SL2 – SL3. Before I could say \u201c No! it would be too crowded\u201d<\/em><\/strong> SL2 (the hot roller) let him in. I leaned over to the stick-man and whispered \u201cI thought only two people could fit on this side\u201d the stickman responded \u201cBelieve it or not 4 people are supposed to fit on that side\u201d<\/strong><\/em>, I responded back \u201c Not today\u2019s Americans, we are definitely wider, look what they did with the seats at Yankee Stadium\u201d<\/em><\/strong>, he laughed. The new SL2 \u00bd<\/strong> slowed up the game and asked for change. The hot roller kept missing the wall and the box man was getting annoyed \u201cSir!, you have to hit the wall\u201d<\/em><\/strong> The hot random roller asked if he could scoot over so he can reach the wall. I said \u201cno problem\u201d<\/em><\/strong>, the new guy seemed annoyed, but we both stepped back to let him roll and he hit 2 more points. The new guy was getting upset. \u201cThis is bull-$hit, why do we have to move.\u201d<\/em><\/strong> I looked at this guy and in my head I was like WTF can\u2019t you see the guy is a hot roller let him do his thing<\/strong>. So after three more rolls the new guy told the box man \u201cWhy don\u2019t you say something, I am not moving\u201d<\/em><\/strong>, the table was about to riot against this guy and one lady yelled out at the new guy \u201cWTF you are a Don\u2019t Player!!!\u201d<\/em><\/strong> , I didn\u2019t notice but the new guy had his bets stacked on the Don\u2019t Pass, so I leaned over to the shooter and offered for him to take my spot. The shooter said \u201cNo, I might just pass the dice\u201d<\/em><\/strong>, but the table asked him to continue and he made his point and the table cheered and that lady threw the Don\u2019t guy a $5 chip and instructed him to put it in his human piggy bank. The Don\u2019t guy actually put it on his rack and thanked the lady. The hot roller was really struggling to hit that back wall and finally seven out and everyone at the table was blaming the Don\u2019t Player for interrupting his hot roll, calling all sort of names and this woman was verbally castrating him. The dealers were mumbling to each other and said \u201cIn my 20 years, I have never seen this\u201d<\/em><\/strong>. I did not partake in the name calling because I did not want to not let my emotions affect my game. I remained stoic and tried to focus on my game although I had this don\u2019t guy standing next to me. When the dice came around to me the name calling was still going on against the Don\u2019t Guy, and the lady said \u201cWatch that guy next you…\u201c<\/em><\/strong> , I tried to lighten things up and said while holding the dice \u201cCome on people, without the don\u2019t we would not have Vader, may the force be with me!\u201d<\/em><\/strong>, Everyone laughed at the table and even the Don\u2019t guy broke an evil grin. I hit 3 points a couple of repeaters and my rack started to fill-up quickly and the poor Don\u2019t guy was getting killed. He eventually stopped betting against me. By my 6th hand the dice the table thinned out and I was getting tired. I colored out and noticed I doubled my buy-in part was the random roller luck and the other was my throws were doing great with a lot of repeaters especially the 4 and 10. I told the Don\u2019t Player \u201cGood Luck!\u201d<\/em><\/strong> and left with my winnings. <\/p>\n

\t401(G) Activity Summary:<\/strong>
\n\t\u2022\tCloud Casino 5 hour Session : $1,200
\n\t\u2022\tMohegan Food Comps – $5 (Barely enough to tip for breakfast)
\n\t401(G) Expenses:
\n\t\u2022\tHotel: $65 (Split room with my blackjack player friend)
\n\t\u2022\tFood not comp: $100 (Steak house was great!!)
\n\t\u2022\tDrinks not comp: $60
\n\t\u2022\tFuel: $20
\n\t Lessons Learned:<\/strong> Putting to practice the exact teachings from my October 2016 class maintaining a cool temperament and making proper betting during my visit at the Casino helped me in bringing in my win. I also learned that I still have a long way to go. With my winnings I purchased the download version of SMART craps, imported my dice set roll and did not pass any of the pro-test. I was sort of relieved that the software was not going to blow smoke up my caboose. I like the truth and to know that I have only scratched the surface of this long path where famous dice controllers have walked before me. Maybe I did risk my $600 on above my edge, but with luck, some skill and following a strategy I came out a victor on this journey. In all, I felt this trip was successful in fulfilling its objectives. Just the fact that a don\u2019t player standing next to me did not bother me the least was a quantum leap in my DC career. I have one more trip to AC from Jan. 1st to Jan. 4th then it is all practice until the spring when I take a refresher class with GTC. <\/p>\n

\t-Mr. PiP<\/p>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> RFink13 on December 29, 2016, 3:50 am<\/p>\n

One of the first things you’ll learn: It’s fun to knock out a don’t better. That makes the win more satisfying.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> ACPA on December 29, 2016, 5:12 am<\/p>\n

What I really like when playing with a don’t player at the table is when we both have a dealer bet up.<\/p>\n

\tThe crew get taken care of either way.<\/p>\n

\tNoah<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> FourTen on December 29, 2016, 1:41 pm<\/p>\n

Great Post Mr PiP!!! After my refresher dice course, I had a Don’t Player say while I was about to shoot,"So, we have a good shooter huh". Well neat less to say, I severed-out after my third roll. \ud83d\ude33 I guess I was more involved on shouting him up that I lost mojo. Only because before he got there people were bragging about me. And so now, I try to block people out when I’m shooting. I now look at the dice in the center table until the dice come to me. However, I do glance around to the table to see what see what people are betting on. Once I get paid and place my bets, my eyes go straight to the dice. So far it’s been working out for me. Sometimes I think people think I’m an A-hole. But, I’m really just putting my mine and focus on my techniques. For me, it’s the RELEASE. If I can keep focus on the release then 90% of the time I’m good.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Finisher on December 29, 2016, 9:11 pm<\/p>\n

Most of the time Dplayers do not talk .
\n\tI like it when ALL players win .
\n\tGood Rolling. \ud83d\ude00 \ud83d\ude00<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> brothelman on December 31, 2016, 1:12 am<\/p>\n

Nice post.<\/p>\n

\tAre you looking to gain quality experience, or are you looking to gain experience?<\/p>\n

\tIt will be very difficult to gain quality experience when playing so long, why?<\/p>\n

\tBecause your shot will stray as you get tired and you will start to allow bad habits to creep into your shot, bad habits are very had to break, please be carful.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on December 31, 2016, 12:34 pm<\/p>\n

Nice post and a good read. It was good to meet you in the October class. However we would like to remind you ( and everyone else) that we at GTC suggest you don’t use the name of of a casino as we have some executives of the casinos on our web site and know that they will try and figure out who your are even if you use your "handle" on the web site. You can say something like "while in one of the New Jersey casinos" or as we often say "in that little gambling oasis in Northwest Louisiana." Be a little vague. If someone wants to find out exactly where you played, they can contact you off the web page using the links on the web site.<\/p>\n

\tDo keep posting as we certainly enjoy the read and seeing that you are doing well. Look forward to seeing you in future classes as your career at the craps table is very promising.<\/p>\n

\tRose and Doc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on December 31, 2016, 11:37 pm<\/p>\n

Did you get my private email to your request?<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Posted by:<\/strong> Mr.PiP on January 6, 2017, 5:10 pm<\/p>\n

Hi Doc,<\/p>\n

\tI sent another PM. I did not see a response. <\/p>\n

\t-Thanks,<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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