{"id":9841,"date":"2018-08-08T17:12:58","date_gmt":"2018-08-08T17:12:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/forumarchives.tmsites.net\/index.php\/2018\/08\/08\/mr-pip-goes-head-to-head-with-a-dont-player-in-ac\/"},"modified":"2018-08-08T17:12:58","modified_gmt":"2018-08-08T17:12:58","slug":"mr-pip-goes-head-to-head-with-a-dont-player-in-ac","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/crapsclub.goldentouchserver.com\/index.php\/2018\/08\/08\/mr-pip-goes-head-to-head-with-a-dont-player-in-ac\/","title":{"rendered":"Mr PiP goes head to head with a Don&#039;t Player in AC"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!-- Original Post Content --><br \/>\nI own a timeshare in AC every other year.  I purchased it before I decided to be a craps advantage player. <\/p>\n<p>\tI played 18 Sessions across every casino (Including the two new ones) in AC with a total of 27 Hours of Play so I decided to pick one of the best session stories.  <br \/>\n\tEach session I use an envelope to record my session info and to hold my session money.  This allows me to keep a record in case there is a dispute with an over reported W2G. <\/p>\n<p>\n\tTRIP #14  (7\/29\/2018 &#8211; 8\/4\/2018)  <br \/>\n\tSESSION ID:  NJAC-TA-205-SL1-T14S15 <br \/>\n\tColor    IN: $500<br \/>\n\tColor OUT: $700<br \/>\n\tProfit Loss: +200 <br \/>\n\tDate: 8\/3\/2018 @ 4AM<br \/>\n\tTotal Time:  1 HR  <br \/>\n\tTable Min: $10<br \/>\n\tTable Odds: 5X<br \/>\n\tDice: RED (78 &#8211; 80) Hardness <br \/>\n\tLayout: Felt (No Bonus Bets)<br \/>\n\tBounce: Hard Neutral (1-2) Rotations  45 deg. <\/p>\n<p>\tStory: <br \/>\n\tI arrive at the table took the SL1 position. there were 4 players, I do my usual buy in and notice there is a don&#8217;t player (6&#8217;5&quot;) behind me with his gf (Who looks like she wants to leave) on the Left-Long end.  He starts trash talking right away while I was holding the dice. <\/p>\n<p>\tDon&#8217;t Guy: &quot;My man thinks he got skills!!!,  3-4, 5-2, 6-1  SHOOTER!!!&quot;  I usually would just color out but I decided to go ahead and ignore him.  I kept hitting points and he kept loosing his don&#8217;t bet. His constant harangue continued with every throw. Then the point was 5, I turned to him and said &quot;If you saw me playing earlier at [CS] you would not be betting against me.  He got upset and yelled out &quot;Oh yea, well make me a believer  !!!&quot;  Then he turned to the dealer and wanted to put an additional LAY bet of $800 on the Point 5. The dealer asked him for additional money, not sure how much.  He asked why, the dealer said &quot;Sir, you have to pay the Juice&quot;. He threw the dealer the amount and yelled to me.  &quot;You hear that Shooter, I just paid the JUICE to take you out, that make you Ron Goldman, Shoot Ron!!! Shoot that 5-2, 3-4, 6-1, Lets get that SEVEN!!!!&quot;  At this point I put the dice down, and I said: &quot;Not only am I going to hit the Point 5, I am going do it in one throw and its going to be a 3-2&quot;  So during practice I noticed 5s come out like 65% of the time if I hardway set with my thumb on the 3s and 2s in the sky&quot;. <br \/>\n\tSo in one throw, I threw a 3-2 and he screamed &quot;GOD DAM!!! your good&quot; The pit boss asked to see the dice and inspected it before my next throw. I think he was listening to the back and forth.   The don&#8217;t guy asked me &quot;Where you from? Where you from?&quot;  I said &quot;I am from the land of make believe&quot;. He got pissed off at my response and continued to place lay bets against me and dig into his pockets for more cash.  When I heard his gf tell him &quot;Baby he good, stop betting against him&quot; I decided to color out and make my way to the cage to get my $200 gain while leaving the don&#8217;t at a near wipeout.   <\/p>\n<p>\tI have not been counting my rolls. The metric I use is to add up the total hours of play and divided by the Gain\/Loss to come up with a profit or loss per hour of play.  This allows me to zero in on a targeted casino\/table, and when I know a table really well I notice I can make $200-$500 per hour. <\/p>\n<p>\tSo question to the reader.  What would you have done?<\/p>\n<hr>\n<h3>Replies:<\/h3>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> JawBones on August 8, 2018, 6:21 pm<\/p>\n<div>That&#8217;s a great and fun story.  I, too, love to run don&#8217;t players away but I personally never get into a back and forth with them.  Couple of reasons. First, if I am taking the time to respond, they are definitely in my head where they don&#8217;t belong.  If they are getting to me, it&#8217;s time to color up and walk.  Second, the last thing I want to do is call even more attention to the way I throw.  Get enough heat as it is without calling out my shot.  <\/p>\n<p>\tThe one thing I will say, though, is if you are going to call your shot you want to hit it.  Great job on that one.<\/p>\n<p>\tFor me, I just do what I do and try my best to ignore the ignorant.  If I can&#8217;t, I walk.<\/p>\n<p>\tAgain, great story.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> MrPiP on August 8, 2018, 6:31 pm<\/p>\n<div>Yea I do feel I broke a rule in the shot call out. But felt confident and wanted to bury the don\u2019t for being out of line. I don\u2019t know what was his deal. There were four other players and he would play the do on them.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on August 8, 2018, 10:46 pm<\/p>\n<div>We loved every word of your post.  As JB said it is always fun to take down a don&#8217;t player who is so obnoxious.  With your description of the records you keep you show so much control and discipline just like we teach in the class with a lot of good ideas for others to use.  We  really like the fact that you are not greedy and happy with a several hundred dollar profit from a turn at the table. <\/p>\n<p>\tAs to what we would have done after taking our turn at the table trying to ignore the don&#8217;t playing creature,  we would have looked at our watch and said &quot;oops we have to meet some friends for dinner,&quot; colored up, and left.<\/p>\n<p>\tRose and Doc are about to come around the corner after Doc&#8217;s recent surgery and ready to hit the casinos.  Hope to see you (and everyone ) in AC in Oct if we don&#8217;t see you earlier in Sin City.  <\/p>\n<p>\tRose and Doc<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Skinny on August 9, 2018, 4:12 am<\/p>\n<div>When I am at the table and playing, my only objectives are to play my game and win money.  I don&#8217;t care what other players are betting or saying.  I don&#8217;t pay any attention to them whatsoever.  I will certainly not engage with an obnoxious, loud mouth player.  That is one discussion I can not win.  I would have completely ignored that don&#8217;t player.  I have no interest in seeing him win or lose money.  His bankroll has no impact on mine.  I am only concerned with my own money.<\/p>\n<p>\tI will engage in banter with the dealers even when I am throwing, but only in between my rolls.  I do this to deflect them from what I am doing and to make them enjoy my play.  I make jokes, talk to them about their families, interests, whatever it takes to get them on my side.  But once the dice are passed to me and I reach down to set them, I am all business.  All discussion stops and I completely concentrate on the job at hand.<\/p>\n<p>\tAfter I set, grip and pick up the dice, I focus entirely on my target.  While aiming at my target I am able to block out everything else that is happening around me.<\/p>\n<p>\tOnce there was a player who made a late bet just before I released the dice at the opposite end of the table to which I was throwing.  My friends asked if he distracted me.  I had no idea what they were talking about.  I never saw him call out the bet or throw the money into the middle in front of me.  I was looking at my target a few inches before the back wall and never saw anything he did.<\/p>\n<p>\tApparently he was also making a lot of noise making his late bets.  I never even noticed him much less heard anything he was saying.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> getagrip on August 9, 2018, 4:19 am<\/p>\n<div>Skinny, well played and so well said!  \ud83d\ude0e<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dominator on August 9, 2018, 11:03 am<\/p>\n<div>Mr Pip<\/p>\n<p>\tYou know how much I think you are a great shooter and a great friend. What you do with the envelopes that you  showed everyone in class is just a fantastic idea. So what I am about to say, please take it in the grain that it is meant to be taken&#8230;.learning from someone that is older and maybe a little bit wiser about this dice control thing. This comes from my heart for you and everyone else on this board.<\/p>\n<p>\tIn my younger days as the Documentary shows, I was a show off. BUT that was before this dice control thing really took off. No one believed it and casinos were really looking for cheaters. As dice control has grown and I believe it is because of the contribution of GTC, that is a different story. By doing what you did, banter with the DC player and then the ultimate calling out the way you were going to make your point just put a red flag on you evidence by the Pit wanting to look at the dice. <\/p>\n<p>\tTake it from someone that has been banned so many times and have gotten his friends banned just because they are with me, it is not a badge of honor. In fact it sucks that I can&#8217;t play at some of my favorite casinos anymore.<\/p>\n<p>\tSo take it from this old man &#8211; keep it under the radar for yourself and for other dice controllers who will be at the casino and throw the same way. <\/p>\n<p>\tDom<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Dr Crapology on August 9, 2018, 12:04 pm<\/p>\n<div>Well said Dom.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> MrPiP on August 9, 2018, 1:20 pm<\/p>\n<div>Thanks everyone, I will take the advice given here.  The good part is there was an immediate post self awareness triggered off.  &quot;Dam I shouldn&#8217;t have done that !!!&quot;.  I hauled out.  For now on, I will stay focus and ignore everyone around me. The mental game is something I am currently working on.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Preacher on August 9, 2018, 8:56 pm<\/p>\n<div>In almost every case, I ignore what anyone else does at the table. I\u2019m amiable with most every player and the casino staff. After all, I\u2019ve got no ax to grind. When a player throws me money, I might take the time to see what that player is winning on my rolls. I\u2019m happy to see someone else make money, too. Just last week, I was hitting a lot of 10\u2019s. A player on my end threw me a chip, and I saw he was making $100-$300 bets on the Field. He was up $3000+ at the last roll. I remember needing a 6 to make the all-Tall-small, and never hit it, strangely enough. Of course, with come bets, it didn\u2019t really matter to me &#8211; if I never roll a number, that number never has any of my money. And, of course, as the dice went around the table, the Field bettor lost back all his money &#8211; oh well.<\/p>\n<p>\tLater that day, a Don\u2019t better took up position at my end. It\u2019s his money, so whatever. I don\u2019t care. Well into my roll, he started yelling, very loudly, just as my dice left my fingers, presumably to make me jump. He\u2019d yell, \u201cThere it is!\u201d Sadly, I don\u2019t jump, ever. Now, if it had been some younger guy or gal, I would have dismissed it as the prattle of children (I do have 7 children and 10 grandchildren). I couldn\u2019t help but notice it was a guy my age or older. He was being rude, and it was bad etiquette, and, as expected, no dealer tips from this guy. I tried to overlook it. Nope, not happening. When I got the dice, I could tell he was preparing to do it again. I picked up the dice, paused, then set them down. I turned, looked at the guy square on, and gave him a long, cold stare for 5+ seconds. I then picked up the dice and carried on. I never said anything. But, he shut up. Did he continue to bet the Don\u2019t? I don\u2019t know. I never gave him a moment\u2019s notice after that. He might have even started yelling again &#8211; didn\u2019t care anymore.<\/p>\n<p>\tAs Dom said, what I did was inadvisable. And, as Dom, I\u2019ve mellowed with age. It just hit me the wrong way. Guess I still have limits. In retrospect, I\u2019m pretty sure if another GTC player had been at the table, I would not have noticed the guy. I really enjoy having another GTC player at the table. There\u2019s a lot to be said about comradery, and trained GTC players are the best.<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> DoughBoy on August 10, 2018, 2:29 am<\/p>\n<div>I think there has been a lot of good advice offered here. I know I&#8217;m listening. I shy away from anything that brings unwanted attention. It&#8217;s become very easy for me to walk away. I need to maintain my edge and if I feel it being threatened, it&#8217;s time to walk. My two cents.<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> Big Bad Dad on September 7, 2018, 2:37 am<\/p>\n<div>Oklahoma is finally getting some craps tables. There&#8217;s only a few, since it just became legal, so they are crazy crowded. Tonight was my first night to go try them out, I showed up 30 minutes before they opened the table so I could have my spot. I had to wait an hour for the dice to get over to me, but while I was waiting I watched a don&#8217;t player cleaning up on the 7 random rollers ahead of me. After my third point I gave him a smile and went back to rolling. When I was finished rolling, (roughly 30 rolls,) I colored up, (I wasn&#8217;t waiting another hour to throw.) The don&#8217;t player came up to me and said after I smiled at him, he knew he was in trouble. Evidently he pulled down the dont&#8217;s and put $100 on each number. He thanked me for the smile and full rack. <\/p>\n<p>\tBBD<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> The WoW Man on September 7, 2018, 2:12 pm<\/p>\n<div>Your post brought a smile to my face. Way to go!<\/p>\n<p>\tCatch you later!<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"migrated-reply\" style=\"border: 1px solid #eee;padding: 15px;margin-bottom: 15px;border-radius: 5px\">\n<p><strong>Posted by:<\/strong> TheUsualSuspect on September 10, 2018, 2:25 pm<\/p>\n<div>Mr. PiP, Impressive display of talent, you kept your cool, quite hard when faced with a &quot;big Mouth&quot; at the table. I can see the smile still on your face. TheUsualSuspect, Semper Fi carry on<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I own a timeshare in AC every other year. I purchased it before I decided to be a craps advantage player. 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