That’s a great and fun story. I, too, love to run don’t players away but I personally never get into a back and forth with them. Couple of reasons. First, if I am taking the time to respond, they are definitely in my head where they don’t belong. If they are getting to me, it’s time to color up and walk. Second, the last thing I want to do is call even more attention to the way I throw. Get enough heat as it is without calling out my shot.

The one thing I will say, though, is if you are going to call your shot you want to hit it. Great job on that one.

For me, I just do what I do and try my best to ignore the ignorant. If I can’t, I walk.

Again, great story.

Yea I do feel I broke a rule in the shot call out. But felt confident and wanted to bury the don’t for being out of line. I don’t know what was his deal. There were four other players and he would play the do on them.

We loved every word of your post. As JB said it is always fun to take down a don’t player who is so obnoxious. With your description of the records you keep you show so much control and discipline just like we teach in the class with a lot of good ideas for others to use. We really like the fact that you are not greedy and happy with a several hundred dollar profit from a turn at the table.

As to what we would have done after taking our turn at the table trying to ignore the don’t playing creature, we would have looked at our watch and said "oops we have to meet some friends for dinner," colored up, and left.

Rose and Doc are about to come around the corner after Doc’s recent surgery and ready to hit the casinos. Hope to see you (and everyone ) in AC in Oct if we don’t see you earlier in Sin City.

Rose and Doc

When I am at the table and playing, my only objectives are to play my game and win money. I don’t care what other players are betting or saying. I don’t pay any attention to them whatsoever. I will certainly not engage with an obnoxious, loud mouth player. That is one discussion I can not win. I would have completely ignored that don’t player. I have no interest in seeing him win or lose money. His bankroll has no impact on mine. I am only concerned with my own money.

I will engage in banter with the dealers even when I am throwing, but only in between my rolls. I do this to deflect them from what I am doing and to make them enjoy my play. I make jokes, talk to them about their families, interests, whatever it takes to get them on my side. But once the dice are passed to me and I reach down to set them, I am all business. All discussion stops and I completely concentrate on the job at hand.

After I set, grip and pick up the dice, I focus entirely on my target. While aiming at my target I am able to block out everything else that is happening around me.

Once there was a player who made a late bet just before I released the dice at the opposite end of the table to which I was throwing. My friends asked if he distracted me. I had no idea what they were talking about. I never saw him call out the bet or throw the money into the middle in front of me. I was looking at my target a few inches before the back wall and never saw anything he did.

Apparently he was also making a lot of noise making his late bets. I never even noticed him much less heard anything he was saying.

Skinny, well played and so well said! 😎

Mr Pip

You know how much I think you are a great shooter and a great friend. What you do with the envelopes that you showed everyone in class is just a fantastic idea. So what I am about to say, please take it in the grain that it is meant to be taken….learning from someone that is older and maybe a little bit wiser about this dice control thing. This comes from my heart for you and everyone else on this board.

In my younger days as the Documentary shows, I was a show off. BUT that was before this dice control thing really took off. No one believed it and casinos were really looking for cheaters. As dice control has grown and I believe it is because of the contribution of GTC, that is a different story. By doing what you did, banter with the DC player and then the ultimate calling out the way you were going to make your point just put a red flag on you evidence by the Pit wanting to look at the dice.

Take it from someone that has been banned so many times and have gotten his friends banned just because they are with me, it is not a badge of honor. In fact it sucks that I can’t play at some of my favorite casinos anymore.

So take it from this old man – keep it under the radar for yourself and for other dice controllers who will be at the casino and throw the same way.

Dom

Well said Dom.

Thanks everyone, I will take the advice given here. The good part is there was an immediate post self awareness triggered off. "Dam I shouldn’t have done that !!!". I hauled out. For now on, I will stay focus and ignore everyone around me. The mental game is something I am currently working on.

In almost every case, I ignore what anyone else does at the table. I’m amiable with most every player and the casino staff. After all, I’ve got no ax to grind. When a player throws me money, I might take the time to see what that player is winning on my rolls. I’m happy to see someone else make money, too. Just last week, I was hitting a lot of 10’s. A player on my end threw me a chip, and I saw he was making $100-$300 bets on the Field. He was up $3000+ at the last roll. I remember needing a 6 to make the all-Tall-small, and never hit it, strangely enough. Of course, with come bets, it didn’t really matter to me – if I never roll a number, that number never has any of my money. And, of course, as the dice went around the table, the Field bettor lost back all his money – oh well.

Later that day, a Don’t better took up position at my end. It’s his money, so whatever. I don’t care. Well into my roll, he started yelling, very loudly, just as my dice left my fingers, presumably to make me jump. He’d yell, “There it is!” Sadly, I don’t jump, ever. Now, if it had been some younger guy or gal, I would have dismissed it as the prattle of children (I do have 7 children and 10 grandchildren). I couldn’t help but notice it was a guy my age or older. He was being rude, and it was bad etiquette, and, as expected, no dealer tips from this guy. I tried to overlook it. Nope, not happening. When I got the dice, I could tell he was preparing to do it again. I picked up the dice, paused, then set them down. I turned, looked at the guy square on, and gave him a long, cold stare for 5+ seconds. I then picked up the dice and carried on. I never said anything. But, he shut up. Did he continue to bet the Don’t? I don’t know. I never gave him a moment’s notice after that. He might have even started yelling again – didn’t care anymore.

As Dom said, what I did was inadvisable. And, as Dom, I’ve mellowed with age. It just hit me the wrong way. Guess I still have limits. In retrospect, I’m pretty sure if another GTC player had been at the table, I would not have noticed the guy. I really enjoy having another GTC player at the table. There’s a lot to be said about comradery, and trained GTC players are the best.

I think there has been a lot of good advice offered here. I know I’m listening. I shy away from anything that brings unwanted attention. It’s become very easy for me to walk away. I need to maintain my edge and if I feel it being threatened, it’s time to walk. My two cents.

Oklahoma is finally getting some craps tables. There’s only a few, since it just became legal, so they are crazy crowded. Tonight was my first night to go try them out, I showed up 30 minutes before they opened the table so I could have my spot. I had to wait an hour for the dice to get over to me, but while I was waiting I watched a don’t player cleaning up on the 7 random rollers ahead of me. After my third point I gave him a smile and went back to rolling. When I was finished rolling, (roughly 30 rolls,) I colored up, (I wasn’t waiting another hour to throw.) The don’t player came up to me and said after I smiled at him, he knew he was in trouble. Evidently he pulled down the dont’s and put $100 on each number. He thanked me for the smile and full rack.

BBD

Your post brought a smile to my face. Way to go!

Catch you later!

Mr. PiP, Impressive display of talent, you kept your cool, quite hard when faced with a "big Mouth" at the table. I can see the smile still on your face. TheUsualSuspect, Semper Fi carry on